How I Would Lie To a Grand Jury ...
- Perjury Means I'm Guilty
If I am called before a Grand Jury to talk about my involvement with the White House on the leak of CIA Operative Plame's name to the press, I would have to say I wasn't involved and leaked no such name. And should a political enemy of mine come out and say I perjured myself on the stand, because a journalist finally admits after being thrown in jail that I'm their unnamed source -- or worse yet -- someone else says they have an unnamed source that says I'm lying, I would have lied to a grand jury.
Does anyone here besides me see a bit of McCarthy'ism going on?
Throwing people in jail for not exposing witnesses?
Throwing around names like anyone is a suspect?
And my personal favorite ...
Completely ignoring the original charge whether or not someone actually broke a crime other than the alleged perjury? We'll come back to that thought in a second ...
- Turnabout Is Fair Play? But Is It Really To the American People?
It wasn't long before this quickly was compared to the Clinton v. Lewinski affair, and the investigations of Clinton both during and before that. And I've spend the last few months hearing from both Democrats and Republican how the two are completely different -- each not just saying, but demanding that the Plame or Lewinski incidents, respectively, were important while the other is not.
Oh my how far and how much the American public has forgotten their basic civics!
The only thing I've been able to learn from the whole thing is that the select portions of the American public don't really care about laws anymore. They really don't care if people have done something wrong. What they are about today is whether or not the discussion at hand aligns itself with their political views! Denial on both sides combined with the hypocrisy of their demand for justice -- it's almost laughable until you realize the obviousness of the truth.
The people driving this are the lawyers and media.
And the only reason they can is because enough Americans would FAIL civics today!
- Defending a Big Mouth and the Self-Righteous Before Him
Let's get something straight off-the-bat. The person who leaked Plame's name as a CIA operative first was none other than her big-mouthed husband. And there's no bigger complainer than that same big-mouthed husband. So in the end, there was no leak in the White House. It was commonly known that Plame was a CIA Operative, and anyone around Wilson knew this! And there's still the question if anyone leaked the name from the White House! Now the Democrats look like asses in some eyes. But even stupidier was the fact that the White House continues to deny things, instead of just coming out and putting that on Wilson. So that's why the non-sense continues. And I have no respect for the Republicans on this matter either.
And let's get another thing straight, Clinton was a big-time womanizer and adulterer, a small-weed user (let alone half of his original staff were using far heavier stuff than him) and no where near ethical. But in the end, Clinton didn't break any actual laws in the Grand Jury investigation, until he perjured himself. But why did he have to perjure himself? Because of all the Democrats who wanted to believe he wasn't, when the reality of who and what Clinton was well known. He should have just come out and said it and gotten past it -- because when he finally did, who looked like asses as well? That's right, Republican Bill McCollum thought he could ride the noteriety right into the US Senate, and he got beat -- rather bad IIRC.
So why are people defending the Big Mouth? Or playing his game?
Just like they defended the Womanizer? Or the self-righteous who wouldn't give it up?
The media and lawyers. They hope you don't care about the things that matter. They hope you tune into whatever argument that aligns itself with your political ideals. Civics? What's that? We want to "get the other guy anyway we can!" And no one wins -- except the media and lawyers.
- If You Think This Is Bad, Wait Until the Next Democrat President!
This is getting worse every President. Things that matter like ... say, the real fact Clinton administration stomping on the CIA investigation into the Loral tech leak to China ... don't mean much to the media. Or how about Able Danger, let alone all the Executive and Military Orders that have been going on since the end of the Clinton administration through the current?!?!?! Those actually have national security stakes! But who cares?!
We need sex. We need lies. We need video after video after video of testimony. The media wants it. The lawyers want it.
It was bad enough when the Clinton administration had to deal with accusations throughout the term. Even Rush Limbaugh stated mid-Clinton term that if you want to get the President on anything, you should do it in his first year and then drop it. The Kenneth Star saga (Star being a registered Democrat who heavily respected Clinton if you didn't know, and the media didn't want you to know) resulted in lots of money in waste. We're now getting the same out of the Plame incident, which is just a continuation of the constant investigations of W.
Again, turnabout is fair play I guess? But I would argue, not to the American people as a whole. But apparently the American people driving the media focus, which is then driven by the over-abundance of lawyers, are who are responsible. And we all lose.
- Woodward Is a Genius
Back in the "Good Old Days," we didn't even put people in jail for withholding sources when they accused an adminstration of illegal wire taps. Then again, I guess 2 decades before that, we did do so when it came to naming Commists. Now we're back to throwing sources of unnamed sources into jail because someone might have perjured him/herself, and not because any law was actually broken.
Hmmm, we must be on some sort of 20-30 year cycle where we actually care about what's important, and what is not? Or maybe it's a ratings thing with the media? Or a glutton of lawyers in circulation?
Woodward stayed out of this thing because I'm sure he didn't want to be prosecuted. But once someone was indited he finally came out of the woodwork. Some have suggested it's because he now has ties to the White House, and that he's defending it to maintain an avenue into it. At this point, it's anyone's guess, but you have to give respect to Mr. Woodward because this isn't some "Deep Throat" but more like a 1-2 decade-long "Sore Throat" of politicians who just want to make trouble for whoever is in the White House -- Democrat or Republican.
- Forget Your Political Alignments, Remember Your Civics
This has absolutely NOTHING to do with any criminal act -- let alone nothing to do with national security interest -- just like Clinton before W. Woodward knows this, and I can't believe the people slinging mud at him for not wanting to be a part of it before the inditements finally came that forced his hand. If you really care about this country, don't be a part of this political non-sense.
Be it during the Clinton administration, the current W. administration, or the next Democrat Executive administration who will find itself under the same barrage of litigation that has little to do with finding any criminal act (let alone intent), but causing enough confusion and investigation so someone finally screws up on the stand. Because it's then and only then that someone actually "breaks the law" -- which has absolutely nothing to do with any criminal intent, let alone whatever criminal investigation going on.
If I want to beat up the Republicans, I've got spending and a war that provides plenty of ammo. And if I want to beat up on Democrats, I've also got spending and a revisionist history of war that provides just as much ammo. Spending and wars or revisionist history of both accounts, I really don't like Democrats and Republicans -- so most people have at least 1 thing they can hate my views for too.
If I am called before a Grand Jury to talk about my involvement with the White House on the leak of CIA Operative Plame's name to the press, I would have to say I wasn't involved and leaked no such name. And should a political enemy of mine come out and say I perjured myself on the stand, because a journalist finally admits after being thrown in jail that I'm their unnamed source -- or worse yet -- someone else says they have an unnamed source that says I'm lying, I would have lied to a grand jury.
Does anyone here besides me see a bit of McCarthy'ism going on?
Throwing people in jail for not exposing witnesses?
Throwing around names like anyone is a suspect?
And my personal favorite ...
Completely ignoring the original charge whether or not someone actually broke a crime other than the alleged perjury? We'll come back to that thought in a second ...
- Turnabout Is Fair Play? But Is It Really To the American People?
It wasn't long before this quickly was compared to the Clinton v. Lewinski affair, and the investigations of Clinton both during and before that. And I've spend the last few months hearing from both Democrats and Republican how the two are completely different -- each not just saying, but demanding that the Plame or Lewinski incidents, respectively, were important while the other is not.
Oh my how far and how much the American public has forgotten their basic civics!
The only thing I've been able to learn from the whole thing is that the select portions of the American public don't really care about laws anymore. They really don't care if people have done something wrong. What they are about today is whether or not the discussion at hand aligns itself with their political views! Denial on both sides combined with the hypocrisy of their demand for justice -- it's almost laughable until you realize the obviousness of the truth.
The people driving this are the lawyers and media.
And the only reason they can is because enough Americans would FAIL civics today!
- Defending a Big Mouth and the Self-Righteous Before Him
Let's get something straight off-the-bat. The person who leaked Plame's name as a CIA operative first was none other than her big-mouthed husband. And there's no bigger complainer than that same big-mouthed husband. So in the end, there was no leak in the White House. It was commonly known that Plame was a CIA Operative, and anyone around Wilson knew this! And there's still the question if anyone leaked the name from the White House! Now the Democrats look like asses in some eyes. But even stupidier was the fact that the White House continues to deny things, instead of just coming out and putting that on Wilson. So that's why the non-sense continues. And I have no respect for the Republicans on this matter either.
And let's get another thing straight, Clinton was a big-time womanizer and adulterer, a small-weed user (let alone half of his original staff were using far heavier stuff than him) and no where near ethical. But in the end, Clinton didn't break any actual laws in the Grand Jury investigation, until he perjured himself. But why did he have to perjure himself? Because of all the Democrats who wanted to believe he wasn't, when the reality of who and what Clinton was well known. He should have just come out and said it and gotten past it -- because when he finally did, who looked like asses as well? That's right, Republican Bill McCollum thought he could ride the noteriety right into the US Senate, and he got beat -- rather bad IIRC.
So why are people defending the Big Mouth? Or playing his game?
Just like they defended the Womanizer? Or the self-righteous who wouldn't give it up?
The media and lawyers. They hope you don't care about the things that matter. They hope you tune into whatever argument that aligns itself with your political ideals. Civics? What's that? We want to "get the other guy anyway we can!" And no one wins -- except the media and lawyers.
- If You Think This Is Bad, Wait Until the Next Democrat President!
This is getting worse every President. Things that matter like ... say, the real fact Clinton administration stomping on the CIA investigation into the Loral tech leak to China ... don't mean much to the media. Or how about Able Danger, let alone all the Executive and Military Orders that have been going on since the end of the Clinton administration through the current?!?!?! Those actually have national security stakes! But who cares?!
We need sex. We need lies. We need video after video after video of testimony. The media wants it. The lawyers want it.
It was bad enough when the Clinton administration had to deal with accusations throughout the term. Even Rush Limbaugh stated mid-Clinton term that if you want to get the President on anything, you should do it in his first year and then drop it. The Kenneth Star saga (Star being a registered Democrat who heavily respected Clinton if you didn't know, and the media didn't want you to know) resulted in lots of money in waste. We're now getting the same out of the Plame incident, which is just a continuation of the constant investigations of W.
Again, turnabout is fair play I guess? But I would argue, not to the American people as a whole. But apparently the American people driving the media focus, which is then driven by the over-abundance of lawyers, are who are responsible. And we all lose.
- Woodward Is a Genius
Back in the "Good Old Days," we didn't even put people in jail for withholding sources when they accused an adminstration of illegal wire taps. Then again, I guess 2 decades before that, we did do so when it came to naming Commists. Now we're back to throwing sources of unnamed sources into jail because someone might have perjured him/herself, and not because any law was actually broken.
Hmmm, we must be on some sort of 20-30 year cycle where we actually care about what's important, and what is not? Or maybe it's a ratings thing with the media? Or a glutton of lawyers in circulation?
Woodward stayed out of this thing because I'm sure he didn't want to be prosecuted. But once someone was indited he finally came out of the woodwork. Some have suggested it's because he now has ties to the White House, and that he's defending it to maintain an avenue into it. At this point, it's anyone's guess, but you have to give respect to Mr. Woodward because this isn't some "Deep Throat" but more like a 1-2 decade-long "Sore Throat" of politicians who just want to make trouble for whoever is in the White House -- Democrat or Republican.
- Forget Your Political Alignments, Remember Your Civics
This has absolutely NOTHING to do with any criminal act -- let alone nothing to do with national security interest -- just like Clinton before W. Woodward knows this, and I can't believe the people slinging mud at him for not wanting to be a part of it before the inditements finally came that forced his hand. If you really care about this country, don't be a part of this political non-sense.
Be it during the Clinton administration, the current W. administration, or the next Democrat Executive administration who will find itself under the same barrage of litigation that has little to do with finding any criminal act (let alone intent), but causing enough confusion and investigation so someone finally screws up on the stand. Because it's then and only then that someone actually "breaks the law" -- which has absolutely nothing to do with any criminal intent, let alone whatever criminal investigation going on.
If I want to beat up the Republicans, I've got spending and a war that provides plenty of ammo. And if I want to beat up on Democrats, I've also got spending and a revisionist history of war that provides just as much ammo. Spending and wars or revisionist history of both accounts, I really don't like Democrats and Republicans -- so most people have at least 1 thing they can hate my views for too.
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Valerie Plame's undercover status was revoked after the Aldridge Ames affair in '97, so she wasn't even undercover when she was outed. Thus, no foul ....
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