Jeep Patriot 4x4 Off-Road: High Value, High MPG ...
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Quick Pictures (taken at the WORST time-of-day)
I've gotta get to work at my current client in Fairfield (CT), of which I will be doing all weekend as my last day is 7/13 before heading out to my new employer a couple of states away. I recently drove my "temporary car" up from Florida, a 2006 Chrysler PT/Crusier and due to "certain circumstances" I decided to finally get rid of it this week and purchase a 2007 Jeep Patriot (temporary Flickr set). I had previously had a 1996 Mazda B2300 (actually a Ford Ranger SE, right down to the VIN, except for the Mazda trim) but it broke down on my in january after 11 years and 165,000 miles. I wanted the Jeep Patriot at the time, but they did not come out until March (and not much beyond the initial 800 run until really April).
This is the Jeep Patriot 2007 in the Sport "E" package with the 4x4 Off-Road ("Freedom Drive II") configuration. Not too much is added beyond the "E" package other than the 458W 9-speaker Boston Acoustics speaker system. I don't recommend people getting this configuration if they want cruise control and other goodies, and either get the Sport "E" package without 4x4 Off-Road if they don't need it (keeping the price down), or just going for the "Limited" (as much of the electronics becomes standard in the Limited) if you want all-the-goods including the 4x4 Off-Road (plus some options that are only on the Limited, like a sunroof).
The Jeep Patriot 2007 dwarfs is "chick" counterpart, the Jeep Compass also sold as the Dodge Calibre, in size (read up on the Patriot's development if you want to know more about how it split into 2 models after the results of focus groups). But they are the same engine, frame, roughly weight (except for the 4x4 Off-Road version, although it's not much more), transmission (again, except for the 4x4 Off-Road version), etc... I like both the headroom and the some 2+ extra feet in the cargo area of the Patriot over the Compass/Calibre, which has more of a "cab forward" design that cuts into both cargo and height.
As far as everything else, for now, here is the review I submitted Consumer Reports (subscription may or may not be requried), based on my first 100 miles ...
Quick Pictures (taken at the WORST time-of-day)
I've gotta get to work at my current client in Fairfield (CT), of which I will be doing all weekend as my last day is 7/13 before heading out to my new employer a couple of states away. I recently drove my "temporary car" up from Florida, a 2006 Chrysler PT/Crusier and due to "certain circumstances" I decided to finally get rid of it this week and purchase a 2007 Jeep Patriot (temporary Flickr set). I had previously had a 1996 Mazda B2300 (actually a Ford Ranger SE, right down to the VIN, except for the Mazda trim) but it broke down on my in january after 11 years and 165,000 miles. I wanted the Jeep Patriot at the time, but they did not come out until March (and not much beyond the initial 800 run until really April).
This is the Jeep Patriot 2007 in the Sport "E" package with the 4x4 Off-Road ("Freedom Drive II") configuration. Not too much is added beyond the "E" package other than the 458W 9-speaker Boston Acoustics speaker system. I don't recommend people getting this configuration if they want cruise control and other goodies, and either get the Sport "E" package without 4x4 Off-Road if they don't need it (keeping the price down), or just going for the "Limited" (as much of the electronics becomes standard in the Limited) if you want all-the-goods including the 4x4 Off-Road (plus some options that are only on the Limited, like a sunroof).
The Jeep Patriot 2007 dwarfs is "chick" counterpart, the Jeep Compass also sold as the Dodge Calibre, in size (read up on the Patriot's development if you want to know more about how it split into 2 models after the results of focus groups). But they are the same engine, frame, roughly weight (except for the 4x4 Off-Road version, although it's not much more), transmission (again, except for the 4x4 Off-Road version), etc... I like both the headroom and the some 2+ extra feet in the cargo area of the Patriot over the Compass/Calibre, which has more of a "cab forward" design that cuts into both cargo and height.
As far as everything else, for now, here is the review I submitted Consumer Reports (subscription may or may not be requried), based on my first 100 miles ...
Outstanding Value, MPG in 4x4 Off-Road
Pros: Inexpensive, Trail Rated 4x4 Option, Always well above 20mpg (even in city), 172hp 4-cylinder is "good enough," good cargo capacity/folding front seat and will fit 6'4" drivers, CVT2 with 19:1 low-speed option in 4x4/Off-Road
Cons: CVT advantage ends at 55mph, Chrysler needs to update Radio with text, poor towing capacity
Driving experience
If you want a SUV with pick-up, look elsewhere. The 172-hp 4-cylinder is "good enough" and will let you pull out in traffic, but don't expect it to be as fast as the same in Chrysler's smaller, lighter vehicles with the 2.4L, or your typical, 6+ cylinder mid-sized SUV. The CVT makes driving fun again, and allows you to get as good or as poor gas mileage as you wish. It's nice to slowly accelerate at 1500rpm saving on gas, and you can peg the engine at a consistent 5,000rpm+ when you need to move.
Definitely low road noise compared to other Chryslers and even other, smaller SUV/economy cross-overs. Engine purs at only sub-700rpm idle. Just feels good, "big enough without being
too big," enough that my wife (who dislikes standard-size cars and bigger minivans) loves it too.
My only complaint is that the CVT seems to lose any advantage after 55mph, and 65mph will peg the engine at 2750rpm, 70mph at 2900rpm, due to no higher gear ratio possible. I'm not a mechanical engineer (an electrical engineer actually), but either I'm not understanding something about gear ratios and torque at those speeds or Chrysler-Jeep still designs for only 55mph and no faster.
I paid the extra $2K for the 4x4 Off-Road model, with the upgraded CVT2 "Freedom Drive II," 19:1 gear ratio "low" gear, skid and other undercarrage improvements, and heavy duty electronics/components. Haven't extensively tested the 4x4 Off-Road mode but it's quick to put into L and 4WD and get a 19:1 gear ratio that keeps you from spinning in mud as well as not tearing up grass when it's wet. It's not the Jeep Wrangler's 38:1, but it can take almost as deep of water (19" v. 20"), is "Trail Rated" and Rubicon tested and you definitely won't have issues with road hazards in this model.
Definitely a great vehicle for city driving, including well over 20mpg in a SUV/4x4 Off-road -- Unheard of! Great turn radius for a SUV, better than some cars! I just wish the CVT/CVT2 had better, higher gear ratios so the engine isn't going past 2000rpm above 55mph. That 172hp is definitely able to at least cruise or give a little pick-up at 65-70mph with a better, more efficient gear ratio and should have offered it.
Several people have mentioned there is a "blind spot" near the left (driver) back -- well, it's worse on the Calibre/Compass versions! And I've run into the same with most newer cars as well. The nice thing about the Patriot are the huge side mirrors, at least on my 4x4 Off-Road -- Wow! Can definitely see everything on the sides, removing my worries about a "blind spot."
Comfort & convenience
It's a smaller SUV, but it definitely gives you space! Like one other reviewer, I have driven a PT/Crusier (which has a bigger, rather pathetic for a smaller vehicle, turn radius than the Patriot if you can believe that!), and while the PT's chassis makes it very low-loading for slightly more height (one of the reasons I prefer the PT over the Pontiac Vibe/Toyota Matrix, let alone the engine size difference), the Patriot has far more depth and volume -- especially if you don't remove the seats in the PT, which take up a lot of room. I'll take the convenience of "flat folding" any day over having to remove the seats when I get more capacity at the expensive of a little height. In fact, speaking on cargo capacity, I was going to buy a Honda CR-V a few years ago, but Honda has utterly destroyed that capacity in newer models, while offering absolutely nothing (not MPG or anything else, let alone no 4x4/Off-Road option) over the cheaper Patriot.
My 6'4" brother-in-law (who is a mechanical engineer with GM no less) would probably like riding in this more than GM's Equinox -- definitely more headroom over the same frame in the Compass/Calibre body. Not only do the back seats fold flat, but the front passenger seat folds flat as well, giving the ability to carry 4x2s internally, or just a lot of boxes.
I happen to like Chrysler's console overall, and the new Patriot and other designs clearly design a fold-out to hold an Apple iPod/Mini in the center console. The Compass/Calibre has a top compartment above the Glove compartment, the Patriot just has a smaller, "open" storage area -- probably due to the lack of as much depth before the windshield in comparison. But that's also the same reason you get another 2' (AFAICT) in the storage area (as well as the increased height).
The only negative on the Patriot is the towing capacity, a measly 1,000lbs. I think the 4x4 Off-Road version may increase that, but it's still well under most other SUVs, even small ones, that sport a 6+ cylinder. Case-in-point: If you want to tow 2,000lbs.+, you need a 6-cylinder, the Patriot is not going to satisfy, so you need to look elsewhere.
Comments
I skipped on the "Limited" and some $1,200-1,500 electronics extras, buying the Sport "E" package (up from the "D") which kept the price just above $22,000 for the 4x4 Off-road version, with the upgraded stereo system and a few, other extras (you could get the 4x4 Off-Road CVT2 "Freedom Drive II" for $20K if you skip the "E" package and these extras). If you want all the electronic extras, don't bother with the Sport as you'll hit or pass $25K and you'd be better off just getting the "Limited" package for a little more. At $22K for a solid, entry-level 4x4 Off-Road in the Sport "E" package, the Jeep Patriot is an outstanding buy. I just hope the resale holds well like other Jeeps, at least for an American car, if I ever decide to sell it (although I'm not planning to before it's death comes).
My package came with Sirrus Satellite radio, although not the upgraded 6-disc MP3 player, which I did want, but couldn't find within 150 miles without hitting a $25K configuration. The power the standard Chrysler radio (which has AUX IN as a standard -- thank you Chrysler!) can deliver the 458W, nine (9) speaker Boston Acoustics is definitely adequate, although I'll probably upgrade the radio at some point in the future. My biggest complaint about the radio is that it doesn't display anything about the Satellite but the channel -- no artist/title/etc... info like just about every other satellite receiver sold period. Don't know if the 6-disc MP3 version does, but Chrysler-Jeep shouldn't be selling satellite without upgrading that detail in its radios -- which look like they are from the '70s with that bright green, almost "calculator LED." Although I do want to point out the 2-speakers on the gate in the 9-speaker system is a nice touch, and great for tailgating at my Alma Mater's home and away games (Go UCF! Go Knights! -- now if they would only offer the Patriot in Gold! ;).
I owned a 1996 Mazda B-series (Ford Ranger, even Ford VIN) for 11 years, 165K miles -- no unscheduled maintenance (until that 165K), never even replaced the clutch (and I'm hard on clutches). I'm hoping this 2007 Patriot gets me at least 8 years, 120K miles, if not close to the same. I bought the extended 5-year/70,000 mile warranty. I'm hoping the Off-Road upgrades and the CVT2/Freedom Drive II are heavier duty than typical Chrysler transmissions (the CVT2 is still made in Mexico), and that's the only major item that I'm afraid won't last until at least 120k. We'll see, these CVTs -- at least the CVT2 -- are supposed to be as good as a manual in lifespan. By then I will be in my mid-40s, hopefully making even more money, and will probably revert (even if temporarily) back to being a child with a mid-life crisis that forces an impulse buy into a Chevy Corvette convertible (I hope I'm still practical when I reach that age, we'll see).
Pros: Inexpensive, Trail Rated 4x4 Option, Always well above 20mpg (even in city), 172hp 4-cylinder is "good enough," good cargo capacity/folding front seat and will fit 6'4" drivers, CVT2 with 19:1 low-speed option in 4x4/Off-Road
Cons: CVT advantage ends at 55mph, Chrysler needs to update Radio with text, poor towing capacity
Driving experience
If you want a SUV with pick-up, look elsewhere. The 172-hp 4-cylinder is "good enough" and will let you pull out in traffic, but don't expect it to be as fast as the same in Chrysler's smaller, lighter vehicles with the 2.4L, or your typical, 6+ cylinder mid-sized SUV. The CVT makes driving fun again, and allows you to get as good or as poor gas mileage as you wish. It's nice to slowly accelerate at 1500rpm saving on gas, and you can peg the engine at a consistent 5,000rpm+ when you need to move.
Definitely low road noise compared to other Chryslers and even other, smaller SUV/economy cross-overs. Engine purs at only sub-700rpm idle. Just feels good, "big enough without being
too big," enough that my wife (who dislikes standard-size cars and bigger minivans) loves it too.
My only complaint is that the CVT seems to lose any advantage after 55mph, and 65mph will peg the engine at 2750rpm, 70mph at 2900rpm, due to no higher gear ratio possible. I'm not a mechanical engineer (an electrical engineer actually), but either I'm not understanding something about gear ratios and torque at those speeds or Chrysler-Jeep still designs for only 55mph and no faster.
I paid the extra $2K for the 4x4 Off-Road model, with the upgraded CVT2 "Freedom Drive II," 19:1 gear ratio "low" gear, skid and other undercarrage improvements, and heavy duty electronics/components. Haven't extensively tested the 4x4 Off-Road mode but it's quick to put into L and 4WD and get a 19:1 gear ratio that keeps you from spinning in mud as well as not tearing up grass when it's wet. It's not the Jeep Wrangler's 38:1, but it can take almost as deep of water (19" v. 20"), is "Trail Rated" and Rubicon tested and you definitely won't have issues with road hazards in this model.
Definitely a great vehicle for city driving, including well over 20mpg in a SUV/4x4 Off-road -- Unheard of! Great turn radius for a SUV, better than some cars! I just wish the CVT/CVT2 had better, higher gear ratios so the engine isn't going past 2000rpm above 55mph. That 172hp is definitely able to at least cruise or give a little pick-up at 65-70mph with a better, more efficient gear ratio and should have offered it.
Several people have mentioned there is a "blind spot" near the left (driver) back -- well, it's worse on the Calibre/Compass versions! And I've run into the same with most newer cars as well. The nice thing about the Patriot are the huge side mirrors, at least on my 4x4 Off-Road -- Wow! Can definitely see everything on the sides, removing my worries about a "blind spot."
Comfort & convenience
It's a smaller SUV, but it definitely gives you space! Like one other reviewer, I have driven a PT/Crusier (which has a bigger, rather pathetic for a smaller vehicle, turn radius than the Patriot if you can believe that!), and while the PT's chassis makes it very low-loading for slightly more height (one of the reasons I prefer the PT over the Pontiac Vibe/Toyota Matrix, let alone the engine size difference), the Patriot has far more depth and volume -- especially if you don't remove the seats in the PT, which take up a lot of room. I'll take the convenience of "flat folding" any day over having to remove the seats when I get more capacity at the expensive of a little height. In fact, speaking on cargo capacity, I was going to buy a Honda CR-V a few years ago, but Honda has utterly destroyed that capacity in newer models, while offering absolutely nothing (not MPG or anything else, let alone no 4x4/Off-Road option) over the cheaper Patriot.
My 6'4" brother-in-law (who is a mechanical engineer with GM no less) would probably like riding in this more than GM's Equinox -- definitely more headroom over the same frame in the Compass/Calibre body. Not only do the back seats fold flat, but the front passenger seat folds flat as well, giving the ability to carry 4x2s internally, or just a lot of boxes.
I happen to like Chrysler's console overall, and the new Patriot and other designs clearly design a fold-out to hold an Apple iPod/Mini in the center console. The Compass/Calibre has a top compartment above the Glove compartment, the Patriot just has a smaller, "open" storage area -- probably due to the lack of as much depth before the windshield in comparison. But that's also the same reason you get another 2' (AFAICT) in the storage area (as well as the increased height).
The only negative on the Patriot is the towing capacity, a measly 1,000lbs. I think the 4x4 Off-Road version may increase that, but it's still well under most other SUVs, even small ones, that sport a 6+ cylinder. Case-in-point: If you want to tow 2,000lbs.+, you need a 6-cylinder, the Patriot is not going to satisfy, so you need to look elsewhere.
Comments
I skipped on the "Limited" and some $1,200-1,500 electronics extras, buying the Sport "E" package (up from the "D") which kept the price just above $22,000 for the 4x4 Off-road version, with the upgraded stereo system and a few, other extras (you could get the 4x4 Off-Road CVT2 "Freedom Drive II" for $20K if you skip the "E" package and these extras). If you want all the electronic extras, don't bother with the Sport as you'll hit or pass $25K and you'd be better off just getting the "Limited" package for a little more. At $22K for a solid, entry-level 4x4 Off-Road in the Sport "E" package, the Jeep Patriot is an outstanding buy. I just hope the resale holds well like other Jeeps, at least for an American car, if I ever decide to sell it (although I'm not planning to before it's death comes).
My package came with Sirrus Satellite radio, although not the upgraded 6-disc MP3 player, which I did want, but couldn't find within 150 miles without hitting a $25K configuration. The power the standard Chrysler radio (which has AUX IN as a standard -- thank you Chrysler!) can deliver the 458W, nine (9) speaker Boston Acoustics is definitely adequate, although I'll probably upgrade the radio at some point in the future. My biggest complaint about the radio is that it doesn't display anything about the Satellite but the channel -- no artist/title/etc... info like just about every other satellite receiver sold period. Don't know if the 6-disc MP3 version does, but Chrysler-Jeep shouldn't be selling satellite without upgrading that detail in its radios -- which look like they are from the '70s with that bright green, almost "calculator LED." Although I do want to point out the 2-speakers on the gate in the 9-speaker system is a nice touch, and great for tailgating at my Alma Mater's home and away games (Go UCF! Go Knights! -- now if they would only offer the Patriot in Gold! ;).
I owned a 1996 Mazda B-series (Ford Ranger, even Ford VIN) for 11 years, 165K miles -- no unscheduled maintenance (until that 165K), never even replaced the clutch (and I'm hard on clutches). I'm hoping this 2007 Patriot gets me at least 8 years, 120K miles, if not close to the same. I bought the extended 5-year/70,000 mile warranty. I'm hoping the Off-Road upgrades and the CVT2/Freedom Drive II are heavier duty than typical Chrysler transmissions (the CVT2 is still made in Mexico), and that's the only major item that I'm afraid won't last until at least 120k. We'll see, these CVTs -- at least the CVT2 -- are supposed to be as good as a manual in lifespan. By then I will be in my mid-40s, hopefully making even more money, and will probably revert (even if temporarily) back to being a child with a mid-life crisis that forces an impulse buy into a Chevy Corvette convertible (I hope I'm still practical when I reach that age, we'll see).







